Sure, but theres no reason to avoid Please advise.. I have used the kindly requesting bit. I find it offensive and passive-aggressive. Im good at sussing this out now, but for the first year I was in this role, I found it really challenging. :). (I am so immature. I use please advise, but I use it sparingly, usually after I have presented options and just need some help deciding which option would go best for this particular situation. So efficient. Thats how I use it too. I guess I could take the time to type out Would you like me to continue doing this in the future? Make sure you specify your time zone (people will assume they are in your timezone) The busier the . I admit that I use it a little more often when Im frustrated about something, but there are times when it really is the best possible phrase to use in my opinion. In-depth corrections and comments from a senior editor. Wow, thats a strong reaction to a simple and standard email closing! Its really good to conserve on Es, so that future generations may have some. is not business-like as you said. I use "let me know" (or "let me know either way") all the time and I've always intended it to mean "by the way, you can say no if you want to". Its fine that you personally dont like it, but its not passive aggressive and I am not sure where you get the impression that it almost always is. Thats going to tip it towards a stern request that you fix something without any further input from them. This is such an interesting conversation. He became legendary and it always lightened the tone of the email. I am sure we have plenty of equally annoying locutions). Don't use the phrase, "Hope this helps" in an email. So? Current Job involves getting buy-in and approvals from various far-flung parts of Big Bank whose employees are generally overworked, overwhelmed, or just dont know/care about Current Job, because Big Bank manages crisis-to-crisis without ever resolving underlying structural issues because hey, why should they? I was thinking this too. Didnt know this was such a well known meaning! I read it as deferential. One thing I get frequently from my Indian co-workers is I have a doubt instead of saying I have a question. I might IM and say, Do you have time for a quick call? If the other person says, Yes, then I call THEM. Words come into popularity and after a bit they fall into disfavor. She then said What parking procedure? So I explained the situation and stated quite plainly what I wanted her to do. No need to be weirdly deferential. LOL. This is now off of my plate until I hear from you (tagyoure it). Both are perfectly fine, use which ever you prefer! Bold is betterI can understand it for dates, times, conference rooms, key info of that sort. But saying recieved, or acknowledged seems cold and robotic and something like Got it! would work except that I dont want them to think Ive literally gotten the package. I have been wondering how people bold or italicize here for ages, lol. Ugh, I cried once at work and ever since, my manager always sends me gentle reminders whenever I make an error. give you my account number) or a check issued in favor of my person. For some reason, it gets the point across to her that we need certain information now, not later or not ever, *the time between Lucy pulling the football away as he tries to kick it and before he hits the ground knowing that she DID IT AGAIN. I used to manage a group of volunteers for a Nigerian 419 scam warning website. Sometimes Id be copied in as a courtesy, other times someone was expecting an answer from me, and sometimes I was supposed to understand that I should NOT reply even if I knew the answer (because of the political implications of the message, the people on the email chain, etc.). Thats probably my own bias, though. Im an American living in the UK and I cant even count how many times someone has walked me across a room because I keep backing away as they enter my personal space while talking to me. i kind of agree with the letter writer. Its gold when paired with and kindly revert. Because that essentially says, please do this, then undo everything you just did. Are you available/free on Friday, let's say** 9 a.m.? +1. We will send you an email to confirm your account. Well, this post has made me accept that at any given time Im probably using an email line that makes the recipient want to punch me in the face. I had a co-worker who would do that! It sets my teeth on edge. Im rapidly coming to that conclusion as well. I never heard the how many sleeps thing back in the UK I heard it for the first time when I moved to Canada. The Guardian. Im fine with that when its an actual FYI email, but I see it a lot in more passive-aggressive contexts, where people want a response but arent going to ask for one. The phrase that drives me right up the wall is please do the needful. Its like saying, I wont be thanking you after youve done the work.. because thats how it is used. This is surprising to me that people are offended by please advise. I see it as completely neutral. I think Thoughts? is totally fine. To me, it means You have more knowledge about this thing than I do. How should I handle your request? That comes off as way more snarky/passive-agressive than please advise. Its never even occurred to me that someone would take issue with it. Its difficult to find delicate ways to follow-up with someone when youre unsure if somethings fallen off their radar or not. I use please advise sometimes with my boss always when Im expected to make a judgment call that Im not sure how to handle. So we just print single-sided for them. At my job, theres generally a designated admin on the approved senders list. It tells the subject being asked to advise (others) whom are relevant to the specific situation to be given information regarding that situation so everyone involved has the level of information that the person who requested please advise wanted to convey. 0. please advise as a declarative statement instead of a question is almost always used passive-aggressively. +1. (Hope this helps really means - now leave me alone [or something like that].) Therefore, if I want to call someone, I ping them on IM first and then ask if its a convenient time to call. I mean, what other phrase could you possibly use to indicate that youre ready to help the next person in line? This. Well, often the reminder (friendly, gentle, otherwise) is for something totally annoying and bureaucratic, which no one wants to deal with, which is why they didnt respond in the first place. } else { Go make a brand new email for your thing and stop derailing others. Now, someone in IT has figured out how to make all emails related to a conversation *poof* from the entire email network when something like this happens, so nobody has the email anymore to reply to all. I use that a fair amount but I use it collaboration, when Ive formed a plan and want to run it by one or two others because I literally want to know if my plan makes sense. I dont like What do you think? because Im not asking for thoughts or ideas, Im looking for explicit instructions on what to do next. Check availability now! Seems polite, like thanks for reading(? The curse of e-mail is that its often so hard to communicate empathy succinctly anyway. Did you make a decision already? On the other hand, if you want a laugh (and you don't mind a bit of obscene language), read ScaryDuck's post: A bit of email etiquette. Half the kids in the class were keeping track of how many times she said it. Thats a GREAT post, and the comments under it are even better. Lots of possible transfers options for GW23. Not a fan. You can use this phrase when speaking to houseguests or new coworkers. Can you please clarify? :). I dont think the IM itself is what AMG is referring to its when the person IMing then wants you to be the one to call them, even though theyre the one who wants something. It is a benefit to do this as often as possible. ", Thank you so much! Almost nothing makes me grind my teeth more. Simple, straightforward, and to the point. I used to think it was extremely formal and cold, but now it has no affect on me because it is used so freakin often. Please advise. What if it is outside their scope? + Read the full interview, TextRanch has been really helpful in improving the flow and repairing the structure of my sentences. they have to book their own travel (through our agent), send me slides in advance, be available for some conference calls, etc. I dont mind quickly emailing my boss and saying something like, Laura, did we receive the orders today? But overall, it feels too awkward and informal to not add something after the question, and I think some people who use Please advice are doing so for similar reasons. If I dont know what the other party could potentially offer, Im seeking them out specifically for that information. I think the phrase Please advise means Define my problem, then solve it for me. As such, I think its a pretty irritating/lazy way to ask for help. To me, the worst is when I just get an email or text that says call me without any further context whatsoever. The result is now that my partner and I needful each other all the time. Meeting subject: International Teapot Commerce. Please Advise.. On the other side, is the writer genuinely seeking information or help? *other English-speaking nations have their own usage or slang, [dont know where the rest of that sentence went]. The only person Ive known to use this constantly is one of my least favorite people. It is like personal space. })(window, document);Cookie Policy(function (w, d) { Or, I schedule a 15 minute call with a conference line and ask them to phone in. I always felt like my reaction was unreasonable, but its definitely a strong one! Me too. OP, yes, you are definitely interpreting it differently than it is intended. The former is what you usually say when you make yourself known to somebody. Ok, this is hilarious, because I used to this way today! No one is demanding that you stop holding up an important project more like, I would like to take my break today at 5 instead of 6. Need to go to the loo: Im just off to do the needful. Early in my career I had a boss who would act super confused when I made a mistake. Tuesday, 1/25: 2pm - 4pm EST. if you so wish. Example Answer #2 I am available to work Monday through Friday, and I am very flexible about the start and end times on those days. im consistently surprised/fascinated by the responses i read here, and its why ill never be able to stay away. 3. I would like to give some of that advice to the current staff that I manage. I think overall people have a hard time getting tone correct when reading emails. Am I being overly sensitive? Make sense? Doesnt bother me much after that. I use it in much the same way, and Ive never been told to cut it out (directly or indirectly). +1. Or at least there have been, everywhere Ive worked. I receive emails a lot from Indian English speakers and they often use the phrase Please do the needful or Kindly do the needful which at first I thought seemed rude, but now I see that its just their way of saying that phrase. I once had a relatively high ranking political official email me and ask me why I was trying to ruin his career. its only used when i know theyll do it. Might depend on the person, but that doesnt sound like a power play. I dont think I would even know what that meant. I would definitely let this one go.. Please advise rubs me the wrong way, too. if you will. How "don't know" is hurting your data. The same thing happened at my old job as well! When I worked in customer-facing roles in retail and food service, I much preferred looking the next person in line in the eye and saying something like, Step on up. The formality reflects my work environment. That said, I would never use please advise without more to the sentence. ", I love how the editors make my work so much better. I was shocked. similar ( 8 ) Let me know your thoughts and advice below. Also, I dont mind it at all if people skip leaving me voicemail and instead email or IM with a request for me to call them back. Artificial intelligence still cannot do this ! s.src = "https://cdn.iubenda.com/iubenda.js"; I usually say please advise when I am not sure what question I am asking. Please click the link that we've sent to this address to post your question to our experts.Ok, I'll check my email. I always wondered if one person at the third office really liked the phrase, and everyone just followed her lead. Any help would be . Research indicates, however, that including "don't know" options actually produces more problems than it solves. Some people are more formal than others. I think in the emails in this discussion the term is almost used out of context due to the monkey see, monkey do concept. Ive received what are your thoughts? / please advise / do you have input/feedback? and all of them seemed appropriate to the situation. But if they are generally fine as coworkers, then youre better off not reading into how ever they phrase their emails. Early in my job I would give people way, WAY more information than necessary in emails before I realized that this can be offensive and its almost always better to use the minimum information necessary for clarity (not that that is necessarily easy to determine, but as a goal). Example Sentences for Step 1 We would like you to know how much we have appreciated serving you this past year. The phrase always brings her to mind. So, yeah, for that the please advise would be super annoying. But I think I mean more did I explain that in a way that makes sense than are you smart enough to understand this. Often I see please advise on an I just described a hilariously tangled or annoying situation email and it generally translates to I dont even know. We also offer the option to contact us using our Shipt app! Some additional . Is it possible that your reaction is based off your feelings in your role and the office dynamics? estimated time: 30 minutes,directly in your inbox. Of course I fixed my husband a plate when he was seeing to the kids, or otherwise engaged but otherwise, why would a man not fix his own dang plate. I have marked this listing as Complete. Prefer please let me know your preference please advise which one you prefer 20%OFF ,,,, Can I help whoevers next would be perfectly grammatical, thoughhow about that? We can either 1) switch to white chocolate 2) continue with milk chocolate or 3) form a team to identify new chocolate options. yes, but your reaction to it doesnt necessarily reflect the reality of it. Its so delightfully vague! Please advise doesnt phase me a bit, although I usually go for please clarify or please let me know your thoughts. (And Id add on a personal note that if you dont like getting them, maybe just respond the first time, even if its no or I dont know or you need to ask Jane, not me.). Is the writer at a higher level than you in the company? ), Much more annoying are cold callers from my bank or the internet supplier who finish up with Can I help you with anything else today? Grr. For example, I can write, "The doctor advised me about taking supplements" or "I advised him to eliminate the angry tone in his writing." Some usage experts accept advise in place of inform or tell. That one bothers me, too! A recent fad in my workplace is kindly requesting things. Remember to use a valid email address. I find this thread fascinating. Some of this is probably just cultural (meaning office culture, not overall culture). I guess I always thought of it as similar to Thanks for reading this e-mail or something. Hell routinely ask me to send external invites for him, then 5 minutes later follow up with something like Has Bob accepted yet? So I just describe the situation as briefly and clearly as I can and say something like please advise or Id appreciate your thoughts on this or Id really appreciate your help (leaving with the above nightmare unstated!). RELATED ( 3 ) let me know your favourite. That would annoy me, too. Oh, the fun we would have with their frequently used terms. I stopped that one pretty quickly. Please let me know vs Please tell me. Battle #1: people who reply all to large groups with Please remove me from this email list Ive been using it to mean HALP, but it seems that in other places its more like Do the thing already! To help you find the right words when you need them here are 20 great expressions for closing an email. its the abrupt Please advise. end of statement that grates on me. I can literally count on one hand the number of times I have received a phone call without advanced notice from a colleague. Ive been tempted). Please tell me what YOU ARE thinking. Since that is what you actually want to know, couldnt you ask what are the options here? instead of please advise? Let me know when you are free in this week to discuss Let me know your convenient time in this week to discuss grammaticality The only times it does, its not because of the phrase, its because of the person using the phrase. And please let me know when his lawyer gets here. What/how about Monday for lunch? I dont mind like Please advise when Boss is available, etc. Not many of them are productive or helpful ones. And I definitely wouldnt instruct others not to do it, since its really just a personal preference on your part, not a rule thatthey should be following in general. 7. Yes, when I read this question, my first thought was that I use it as sort of a sign-off after having gotten deeply into details. On that note, I also hate Thanks in advance. so if I suddenly decide Im not doing this for you, will you be sending another email revoking that thanks, then? I heard sleeps used all the time in the US I think its a weird phrase. Same thing happened at my work placethousands of employees all responding with reply all. Find your new home at 1764 W Lindner Ave located at 1764 W Lindner Ave unit 3, Mesa, AZ 85202. A message that was truly friendly wouldnt need to be softened, so when you get a heads up that should be a non-issue but its been thoroughly bubble wrapped it can come across that the sender is making a big deal about it and that has frustrating implications. 2) People who hijack an email thread for an entirely different topic. In which case my (uncensored) answer would be Yes is not an answer/an option. I had a coworker that used to ignore my emails about half the time so one day I asked her why. Oftentimes even after the actual document has already been shared!! Or speaking whale a la Dory in Finding Nemo. I cant see it however the email had the comment. Dana. I have ever heard Americans use the baby talk it is just 5 sleeps until we arrive at Disney World but I suppose they will pick it up since it is used so often by British travelers on line. Please let me know what to do.. It just seems more polite. People tend to use it when wrapping up to indicate, Can you give me your thoughts on this? or How should I handle this? I dont think its in any way intended to be demanding its just a wrap-up to the message. However, I also think that in many cases, people like to use fancier language in writing because they think it makes them look smarter or more professional or something. Im having a problem with this and Im not sure what to ask for but this is what we need. This happens quite frequently in my current job and its quite normal. Ive used just bumping this to the top of your inbox! before, but only with people who I know are pretty chill and arent going to interpret it as you clearly dont know how to manage your workload so please let me nag you. I dont use it for folks who actually read the emails and pay attention to the important bits. It loses the effect and can be irritating/condescending when you use it too often. You could just say its a reminder without qualifiers. Yeah, Ive used it when I feel like there is a big complicated tangle of a situation and Im having trouble writing a concise question about it. Certain phrases set me off too. Its funny, because to me, Please advise means exactly the same thing as Id appreciate your input on this. It really is a Know Your Office thing, I guess. is far gentler and is a little more personal if you must put something at the end of the query. Same as something like, what can we do about this? It can be a genuine question or it can be a thinly veiled way of saying I would like you to tell me how to help you not do something like this again.. Cant think of any examples right off the bat but it definitely doesnt fit for some emails! Has Bob accepted yet? (Yes or no) Have you booked that hotel? (Yes or no) How do I save a word file (have you never used a computer before?). 0. assigning women extra work to help them, calling out when youre in the ER, and more. But it does feel like theres a need to end the email with what youre looking for. To me the gentle reminder reads as Pease dont be mad at me, but I need to remind you of [xyz]., How about friendly reminder? What date/time is most suitable/convenient for you? or call us at (205) 502-2500. They are synonymous phrases, so sure, but I like please advise better. I try to leave the actual question for the end of the paragraph. Write Your Letter Step-by-Step 1 Express your gratitude for the customer's business. Like We had someone call from a company trying to sell us a bridge, so I took their name and number and told them someone from the bridge purchasing department would call them back. It does havea slightly more formal feel to it than I prefer, but its not like the horrid and condescending gentle reminder.. Do (b)not(/b) leave your belongings at the front desk. Its the opposite of passive aggressive its direct. Please let me know your preferred way of dealing with this. Of course, Id try to say it more diplomatically. + Read the full interview, I sometimes wonder if my English expressions make sense clearly and TextRanch helps me a lot in such cases. Would you have done something different? In fact I just searched my emails for please advise and 99% of them (250 results since July/August-ish last year) were from this guy! But otherwise, I typically use something that apparently many other people find really irritating: Thoughts?. That seems really rude; after all, Im the one who is requesting the call so I should do the dialing. But in Namibian English, dear has come to be spelled dia. I spent a lot of time wondering who Dia was and why people were always thinking that was my first name, I just got really excited that someone else commenting here has lived in Namibia. Which one do you prefer? 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